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		<title>A Proposal to Move Joomla Forward</title>
		<description>Discuss A Proposal to Move Joomla Forward</description>
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			<title>Amy Stephen says:</title>
			<link>http://www.alledia.com/blog/joomla-news/a-proposal-to-move-joomla-forward/#comment-7973</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I love what Drupal is doing. People might be a little bit surprised to learn how Drupal manages these types of "democratic" processes. It's not a situation where everyone who uses Drupal gets to vote on what volunteers do. This is community building at it's finest - where a carefully selected list of "authenticated" contributors is being grown over time. Leadership and authority is being transferred to this group as it grows. It will take a few years before that process really takes hold but I think it's working for Drupal and I think it's the way to go. Those who are part of the decision making process are the rock carrying contributors. They comply willingly with the community licensing and trademark rules and they promote those principles with others. I think it would be an excellent idea for Joomla! to look closely at this model and begin sharing leadership increasingly with others who share our community values and have contributed to the Joomla!'s project.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Amy Stephen</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Steve Burge says:</title>
			<link>http://www.alledia.com/blog/joomla-news/a-proposal-to-move-joomla-forward/#comment-7970</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Interesting news from over at Drupal, running things along the lines that I'm recommending for Joomla: http://drupal.org/node/362481]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Steve Burge</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Steve Burge says:</title>
			<link>http://www.alledia.com/blog/joomla-news/a-proposal-to-move-joomla-forward/#comment-7869</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hey Steven. There used to be a dedicated PR person on the Joomla team. Now I guess that would be Louis, but he's also got development work on his plate. Perhaps that might be a revived position in the future. Thanks unleash.it. I'm glad you spotted Andrew's move. I agree it's a nice gesture. Perhaps the next step if this works well might be a suggestion box in an open forum.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Steve Burge</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>unleash.it says:</title>
			<link>http://www.alledia.com/blog/joomla-news/a-proposal-to-move-joomla-forward/#comment-7861</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ One thing to try to remember is and community has its ups and downs, attractive or sometimes ugly. Not something to get scared of...it's the nature of being a community. A proprietary company doesn't have a community in a real sense, so you're shielded from these things. Yet even the best commercial companies didn't get where they are by not listening to their user base. Andrew's move is a nice gesture, but why via email? Why not on the forum where open particpation is possible? If you're scared of your commmunity, you don't want participation. Obviously there are many views and you can't please everyone, but no one said you had to. All it takes is a little patience and a little give and take. Only then will we be an "us". Amy, if you or anyone sees my words like mine as being unproductive, I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm not one to beat at a dead horse so don't worry, I'll go away. I was just here checking him for signs of life ;-)]]></description>
			<dc:creator>unleash.it</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Amy Stephen says:</title>
			<link>http://www.alledia.com/blog/joomla-news/a-proposal-to-move-joomla-forward/#comment-7855</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Steven - only GPL extensions will be listed on JED - that can include commercial GPL extensions (ex. NinjaForge, Phil Taylor, JXTended.) +++ Now, Steven, excellent point on vision statement. We forget that users get "caught in the middle" of these things and we often do not address their concerns. Imagine how they feel watching these technical and emotional discussions. It's confusing, at best, and likely alarming. I've been back to reading Karl Fogel's "Producing OSS" and specifically chapters on communications. It's online - please take time to read it and reread it, if you want to be involved in free software projects - http://producingoss.com/ I appreciate Andrew's call for comments *before* a decision is made/code is written on the proposed services directory. That is the type of shared decision making that builds community. Take time to read and provide comments using the email address he recommended. http://tinyurl.com/callfr Also - a few core team/OSM members are active on Twitter and I recommend following them: Andrew (core) - http://twitter.com/mamboblue Anthony (core) - http://twitter.com/ircmaxell Wilco (OSM) - http://twitter.com/willebil Mitch Pirtle (comm team, j! founder) - http://twitter.com/mitchitized Lastly, going to keep saying this - The Joomla! project can do a better job of involving the community in understanding what the issues are and the Joomla! project can work harder to find ways to engage the broader community in decision making. But, we have to join in. No more "they" thing. It's time to talk about "us." If there is something wrong with Joomla!, then, it's our problem because shared leadership includes shared responsibility, and shared responsibility means we get thousands, not a dozen, or so, who's job it is to make Joomla! better. I'm not Core/OSM. I'm not always happy with their processes or choices. But, I show up to "vote" with my contributions and involvement. That's how it works. If you need help getting involved - email a core team member or talk to Steve or talk to me. You are welcome and encouraged to join in.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Amy Stephen</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 13:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Steven Johnson says:</title>
			<link>http://www.alledia.com/blog/joomla-news/a-proposal-to-move-joomla-forward/#comment-7854</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Some very good insight here. I would propose another position: Public Relations I admit I do not know all the forces behind this decision and maybe that is the point. There are many non technical site owners that do not know the detail of these decisions, they only see the results which appears to be the removal of extensions, with no indication of where information can be found in the future. The announcement only addresses developers with no mention of how this will effect the end user. They see the announcement that says all Joomla 1.0 and commercial extensions are being removed. They may think wait I run a joomla 1.0 site and have a couple of commercial extensions where will I go to find new improved extensions? I chose the commercial extension developer because the provided better support, will he still remain in business? Is Joomla supportive of his business and services? I would suggest to Joomla that if you are going to take something away I would suggest providing a new source for that information to address the average site owner concerns. I did see an announcement of what appears to be more of a commercial services directory. Maybe the commercial extensions could be found here. If so, could have been better to announce the creation of a commercial services directory and then the removal of the commercial extensions from the JED. Any way I think Joomla could assuage many end user concerns by letting people know that extensions are being removed from the JED but plans are in the works for a separate directory or system where this information will be located. With all of these continued changes it seems to me that Joomla is breaking the last of its vision statements: A project dedicated to maintaining the trust of its users. I am sure it will all work out but Joomla's stance on commercial extensions seems unsettled right now.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Steven Johnson</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 10:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>unleash.it says:</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Yes, wouldn't it would be nice to see them loosen up a little. I once tried pirate talk, but that didn't seem to do the trick... At the end of the day, it's just open source. You guys (Joomla) aren't in a race to be billionaires...right? On the other hand, Joomla is smart to do SOMETHING to stem the tide of too much commercialism. But do it in a way so as not to alienate half of your users. What about a public debate before (instead of after) the big decisions? Don't forget that old saying that says if you give an inch, you can take a mile. There]]></description>
			<dc:creator>unleash.it</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Steve Burge says:</title>
			<link>http://www.alledia.com/blog/joomla-news/a-proposal-to-move-joomla-forward/#comment-7849</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ Very nicely put, that unleash.it]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Steve Burge</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 07:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>unleash.it says:</title>
			<link>http://www.alledia.com/blog/joomla-news/a-proposal-to-move-joomla-forward/#comment-7847</link>
			<description><![CDATA[How many people really believe in this "unconditional support" idea I see some members of Joomla tout? Sure, there are some who are satisfied and this works for them. But seriously. How many people who aren't retired or with bills to pay, who really don't want something in return? (if nothing but some inclusion on decision making). Like the US economy, I think open source has to figure out it's place in reality. Keeping it 100% "free" is just not sustainable (different problem as US...). What attracted me to open source in the beginning was not so much free, but the idea of an economy other than just pure money: Take but give something back. Bartering, collaborating, support based, etc. I believe that the ideas of transparency and democracy are key to sustaining this. Without them, I am much less inspired to devote my energy...and I believe the same goes for most would be contributors. I came to Joomla with lots of enthusiasm and have contributed significant time. But because it's been my observation that the opinions of users are not taken very seriously, I have lost my steam. Somehow I don't see how you can expect to stay proprietary on decision making, while expecting hordes of enthusiastic contributors with no questions asked. That said, I'm a firm believer that the people who contribute most to the project, should have the biggest say. I think perhaps some voting/democracy could go a long way to demonstrate Joomla's sincerity in including the community. Lastly, if Joomla does decide to empower its community, don't forget to include all contributors (doc writers, translators, graphic designers, developers, etc.) as equal partners. Without ALL... Joomla would not be Joomla.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>unleash.it</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Amy Stephen says:</title>
			<link>http://www.alledia.com/blog/joomla-news/a-proposal-to-move-joomla-forward/#comment-7846</link>
			<description><![CDATA[It is certainly true that J! can and should improve in the area of transparency and communication. I have shared some of my own concerns within the project. We also have to get the message out to people that their involvement is welcome and is the best way of helping direct the project in a manner of their choosing. We need to broaden the circle and encourage others to bring in new ideas and enthusiasm. I think having you on the OSM might help address some of the trust issues you are getting at. Personally, I think you'd be an excellent addition.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Amy Stephen</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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