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		<title>Hitting the Open Source Wall</title>
		<description>Discuss Hitting the Open Source Wall</description>
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			<title>Glenn says:</title>
			<link>http://www.alledia.com/blog/business/hitting-the-open-source-wall/#comment-8162</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Wow, you couldn't have hit the nail on the head more!!! This is a great art...]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Wayne says:</title>
			<link>http://www.alledia.com/blog/business/hitting-the-open-source-wall/#comment-7610</link>
			<description><![CDATA[From a business perspective ... Being a businessman with a pretty well-rounded understanding of the web, etc., but definitely not a coder (Kind of a "Joe the Plumber" of the Joomla world) I wonder if my viewpoints could help. Not only have you developers spent way to much unpaid time on Joomla, but so have I. Last year, I sent a "Letter to the Editior" on the Joomla Forum on the subject and a week later my account was cancelled! I was polite, but maybe the letter had too much truth. My Letter was about how so many of the extensions were of so low quality, and they needed to be a tested. Now, my concerns are even more serious! There are more and more web applications available for me to pay $50 and even have my host provider install them ... 30 minutes later I have an application! Maybe, I will need to pay up to $250 for the application, but it works! Honestly, people around me think I am crazy spending so much time with Joomla! Also, a good site can make someone sooo much money. I, for one, am not afraid to pay for a good site. I sense that, too many developers work with Joomla! as a hobby, but it seems more and more users are not totally serious about their site. I think you developers should offer ready-to-go web site packages backed by full-time developers. I really liked the one Virtue Market did! I had an on-line site finished in one-hour! I am one of those faceless signons that has been loyal to Joomla! and spread some money around. My opinion is grow-up and be a competitive business! Working for practically nothing is not a virtue and is serving my purposes less and less. Developing a CMS system without regard to SEO? How did that happen? Joomla with a fast template like Boltz (I just purchased it) and something like Kickapps would be a giant step in the right direction. My information is telling me that the days chasing Google Rankings are over. Step back for the code for a minute and make sure you're making something useful - or just label Joomla! "Hobby Stuff" In talking to developers in other forums, I am always impressed with their intelligence. Let's put it too use! ]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Steve Burge says:</title>
			<link>http://www.alledia.com/blog/business/hitting-the-open-source-wall/#comment-7546</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thanks Beat - I think you've provided a very good summary. Most developers I've talked to don't want go full-time. They start projects as a hobby and want it to stay that way. Community Builder is one of the most successful FOSS projects I know because it has managed to get past the wall, with more than one lead developer, a very active community and some revenue coming.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Steve Burge</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Beat says:</title>
			<link>http://www.alledia.com/blog/business/hitting-the-open-source-wall/#comment-7544</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Very interesting post indeed, that I just crossed. Specially for open-source projects which become really big. Yes, burn-out in an open-source project happens more often than you would think. There are ways and proven models to stay open-source and still not burn out, but it needs lots of self-discipline and a good active team and community. I firmly believe that the team and the community is the most important thing, but also the resources to compensate for the team's hard work in one way or another are also an important part. Running an open-source project requires lots of "free" aka already paid time, or deep pockets...or a revenues model to pay for the time... In our case (http://www.joomlapolis.com), it required a lot of all 3 of those !!! Regarding your points 1-4, I agree with 1-3 but for 4, if your community is large enough, you can "afford" with 1-3 to stay open-source for most, or even all parts ! :-)]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Beat</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>siva says:</title>
			<link>http://www.alledia.com/blog/business/hitting-the-open-source-wall/#comment-7533</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I think this is good idea too.I agree with Steve Burge. Whenever you go for long term project,you need long term model.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>siva</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>siva says:</title>
			<link>http://www.alledia.com/blog/business/hitting-the-open-source-wall/#comment-7532</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I think this is much needed project.I agree with Steve Burge.Whenever you go for long term project,definit ely you need long term model.This is good idea too.[ ------------ siva http://www.savvybusiness.com.au ]]></description>
			<dc:creator>siva</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>unleash.it says:</title>
			<link>http://www.alledia.com/blog/business/hitting-the-open-source-wall/#comment-7512</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Yes, while I think it's the large projects that can have the most powerful effect to set standard, no doubt we all own the onus. I think all these ideas are good and can work in different situations. Like any movement that's still getting established, we'll see where the ride takes us. I think for projects to share a similar success as say MySql, Linux and Firefox...the little guy included...it's going to take more team work with other important skill sets than programming. But these contributors need more motivation than simply being able to use the product. Just like the developers, lets face it. We are interested in helping because we appreciate the use we get from the software, but we would also like to have some kind of say in the direction of the important tools we use.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>unleash.it</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Steve Burge says:</title>
			<link>http://www.alledia.com/blog/business/hitting-the-open-source-wall/#comment-7501</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Hi Steven. The problem with bounties unfortunately is that they tend to be short-term orientated. Get to a certain goal and then ... you're back to the same problem. A long-term project needs a long-term business model. Hi Nikhil. Good ideas there. Sounds as if you're between #2 and #4, making the add-ons into a small business. Hi unleash.it. I agree about the widespread misunderstandin g of the GPL. I think the onus is on us (no pun intended) to explain it clearly as professional Joomla users.]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Steve Burge</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Steven Johnson says:</title>
			<link>http://www.alledia.com/blog/business/hitting-the-open-source-wall/#comment-7493</link>
			<description><![CDATA[After looking into the Bounty project I found, I learned that they closed their doors a few months ago. Maybe that answers the question of using a bounty. :-)]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Steven Johnson</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title>Steven Johnson says:</title>
			<link>http://www.alledia.com/blog/business/hitting-the-open-source-wall/#comment-7492</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Great topic and some very insightful ideas. I think a solid development team with the primary dev., beta testers, people assisting with documentation etc should come first. After this there are people who do not have time to donate but can donate money. I have often thought about the idea of a bounty for a particular new feature. I am not 100% sure how they work in practice. Many times I think of a cool feature or have found a feature that is continually requested and the developer does not have the resources to create it. As one person I can not afford to fund the new feature myself but I am pretty sure that me and a few others could afford it together. It would be great if the project had an easy way for me and other to pool our money to fund the development of the new feature. After the money was raised, the new feature could be developed and released to the community. Again not sure if this works well in practice but it would be great for all the people interested in a new feature to work together to give the developer the resources he needs to complete the work. Does anyone have any experiences using bounties? A quick search and I found this site: https://www.bountysource.com/ Thanks!]]></description>
			<dc:creator>Steven Johnson</dc:creator>
			<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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