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2009
Is Drupal Destined to be a Boutique CMS?

That's the clear conclusion of the data from Google Trends.

Drupal has been substantially behind Joomla in popularity ever since the two projects were founded. Wordpress has constantly grown its following and may even overtake Joomla this year, whereasDrupal has grown very slowly and steadily without ever looking likely to catch either.

Drupal is great software and powers many amazing sites, but is it destined to always be the higher-end, boutique (and yes, less-popular) cousin of Wordpress and Joomla?

Comparing searches for Joomla compared the other two between 2006 and 2009:

  • Wordpress has gone 0.66 >> 0.72 >> 0.81 >> 0.97
  • Drupal has gone 0.22 >> 0.25 >> 0.28 >> 0.30

Comparison from 2004 to 2009

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2006 Comparison

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2007 Comparison

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2008 Comparison

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2009 Comparison

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#1 JoeJoomla 2009-08-12 12:31
Is it possible that Drupal will face user decline when Joomla! has robust ACL features in the future? Is this their main advantage over Joomla! at the present time?
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#2 Jack Bremer 2009-08-12 13:14
@JoeJoomla, I couldn't agree more - Joomla's ACL is lame right now, and once I can actually do useful stuff with membership groups on my site it will blow everything else out of the water once again! 8)
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#3 Steve Burge 2009-08-12 16:37
Hey guys

Possibly ...

It seems that Wordpress is trying to add more features with Buddypress to catch up with Joomla and Drupal.

Drupal is trying UI testing to become easier to use and catch up with Joomla and Wordpress.

Joomla? Trying to do both ... Fingers crossed that 1.6 with have a better UI but also ACL as well.
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#4 xtfer 2009-08-12 18:18
Joomla, Wordpress and Drupal are appropriate for different types of sites. Joomla and Wordpress are better suited for smaller projects with less users. Drupal can fill the enterprise role more easily - but with that level of flexibility comes some complexity.

But we're only looking at searches here, not usage... perhaps there are just more beginners using Wordpress and Joomla?
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#5 Rick Blalock 2009-08-12 20:57
Hmm. I was under the impression that Wordpress's community is a lot larger than Joomla's but maybe I am including Wordpress.com admin accounts with that.

I like Drupal but its community has given me the impression of elitists. The Drupal folk I have met (mostly service providers) remind me of super-elite political delegates.

In contrast, I have seen a different (albeit healthier) attitude among the Joomla and Wordpress communities.
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#6 Nathan 2009-08-13 00:05
@JoeJoomla
ACL in Joomla is just around the corner!

Wordpress will never have the great support of the OpenSource community. Joomla totally rocks because developers know that Joomla won't use them for Joomla's profits (because their are none)

It's hilarious that Drupal in their 6th version is working on making Drupal Object Oriented.

Joomla has always been coded as the better option. Wordpress is good for blogging. And Drupal is like the ugly step child. hahaha
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#7 Steve Burge 2009-08-13 07:35
"The Drupal folk I have met (mostly service providers)"

Exactly. My suspicion is that this helps keep Drupal in its boutique position. Drupal lacks a vibrant small-business market place currently ... a few commercial template devs, no extension devs. Most of the action is with the service providers.
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#8 Joseph LeBlanc 2009-08-13 08:30
@Nathan

While I do appreciate Joomla's OO and MVC design, I wouldn't necessarily say that "Joomla has always been coded as the better option." A big problem with Joomla right now is that all of the files have to be located within the web root folder. While this makes it easier to install (and conceptually easier for most) it's not as desirable for security reasons. While I feel we've done a good job of mitigating those security issues, it would be nice to recode so you can place the "engine" outside of your public_html folder. And remember, we've only had reasonable out-of-the-box SEF URLs for two years now; everyone else had them much sooner.

@ Rick @ Steve

Totally agree about Drupal being mostly service providers. When I talk to Drupal people, they don't quite understand that there's a good segment of the web population out there that actually sets up websites for themselves rather that getting a firm to do it.
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#9 Rick Blalock 2009-08-13 09:39
@Joseph

I would love the ability to place the Joomla installation outside the web root.

Has anyone thought about implementing this?

I suppose if you were just using the J! library...you could do it...but not the CMS app eh?
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#10 Rick Blalock 2009-08-13 09:49
@Nathan

I think Wordpress has HUGE community support. More than Joomla perhaps. It's a great example of an Open Source product that has been able to monetize itself as well.
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